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	<title>Comments on: BOOK REVIEW: Two Books about FRBR, Compared</title>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rochkind</title>
		<link>http://journal.code4lib.org/articles/138/comment-page-1#comment-1082</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Rochkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[But if some works (monographic and otherwise) work better with the four levels, and many monographs are fine with three of those four--then that to me says four is good. It doesn&#039;t hurt the works that don&#039;t need it. 

On the other hand, perhaps there are some works that could really use five, or six, levels. A model is always just an approximation of reality, but four levels seems a pretty good compromise to me. There are always the ability for other relationships to be drawn other than the &#039;level 1&#039; sets, to specify things further. 

Although the whole model is, for better or for worse, based on a formal abstraction of traditional cataloging practice, that was mostly designed for monographs, with everything else being an &#039;edge case&#039;.   But I&#039;m not sure what to do that&#039;s better. If there are human catalogers describing the bibliographic/documentary/information universe, we&#039;re a lot better off if they&#039;re all using the same formal model, so we can have all agreed on what the data we&#039;re recording actually means. But maybe there&#039;s a better way to do it? If there is, nobody&#039;s supplying it. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But if some works (monographic and otherwise) work better with the four levels, and many monographs are fine with three of those four&#8211;then that to me says four is good. It doesn&#8217;t hurt the works that don&#8217;t need it. </p>
<p>On the other hand, perhaps there are some works that could really use five, or six, levels. A model is always just an approximation of reality, but four levels seems a pretty good compromise to me. There are always the ability for other relationships to be drawn other than the &#8216;level 1&#8242; sets, to specify things further. </p>
<p>Although the whole model is, for better or for worse, based on a formal abstraction of traditional cataloging practice, that was mostly designed for monographs, with everything else being an &#8216;edge case&#8217;.   But I&#8217;m not sure what to do that&#8217;s better. If there are human catalogers describing the bibliographic/documentary/information universe, we&#8217;re a lot better off if they&#8217;re all using the same formal model, so we can have all agreed on what the data we&#8217;re recording actually means. But maybe there&#8217;s a better way to do it? If there is, nobody&#8217;s supplying it. </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Schwartz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Schwartz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 14:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Irvin,

I just printed off Martha Yee&#039;s article, &quot;Lubetzky&#039;s Work Principle.&quot; Thanks for recommending it. 

Several of the authors in the Taylor book make the same point as Yee concerning the Procrustean bed of Work-Expression-Manifestation-Item. In fact, a lot of monographs would work better with just Work-Manifestation-Item, IMHO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Irvin,</p>
<p>I just printed off Martha Yee&#8217;s article, &#8220;Lubetzky&#8217;s Work Principle.&#8221; Thanks for recommending it. </p>
<p>Several of the authors in the Taylor book make the same point as Yee concerning the Procrustean bed of Work-Expression-Manifestation-Item. In fact, a lot of monographs would work better with just Work-Manifestation-Item, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Irvin Flack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irvin Flack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for these reviews. On FRBR: I think the model is very useful but is still very much based around the print monograph as the default object of description; understandably, given the history of libraries. The WEMI model can be used on non-textual resources but not without some awkward shoehorning, as Martha Yee and others have pointed out, eg in this great paper on Lubetsky&#039;s Work Principle: . The work concept, which is quite straightforward when applied to a published text, gets complicated when applied to a movie, serial, website, photograph of an art work, recording of a opera performance, etc. As far as RDA goes, it seemed early on that it was adopting a half-hearted approach to FRBR, but now it seems more fully committed to it, which will at least enable the model to be more fully tested.
-Irvin]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for these reviews. On FRBR: I think the model is very useful but is still very much based around the print monograph as the default object of description; understandably, given the history of libraries. The WEMI model can be used on non-textual resources but not without some awkward shoehorning, as Martha Yee and others have pointed out, eg in this great paper on Lubetsky&#8217;s Work Principle: . The work concept, which is quite straightforward when applied to a published text, gets complicated when applied to a movie, serial, website, photograph of an art work, recording of a opera performance, etc. As far as RDA goes, it seemed early on that it was adopting a half-hearted approach to FRBR, but now it seems more fully committed to it, which will at least enable the model to be more fully tested.<br />
-Irvin</p>
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